Curse

prodigy ming · May 08, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

There is basically two types of people in Guild Wars... those that can pay 100k and 40 etcos for a mini pet, and those that could hardly afford 1.5k armor. As one belonging to the latter, i just became broke after buying my 1.5k imperial armor set.
That is when I thought what if there is a charity box thats benficial to both side of the population? let say people with too much gold on their hand... for every 1k they donate they get some sort of reward like factions and experience. Meanwhile, people with less than say 20K across all characters can go to the charity box and take 1k every 2 days or so.
That way rich guys can do a good deed and feel good about themselves while getting something in return, and poor people can at least get some income until they reach the 20k mark.
plz don't flame, just an idea. feel free to comment on it though.

Nek · May 08, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

not a good idea simply cause it doesnt promote personal improvement, providing assistance is one thing, spoonfeeding is another.

you've seen tonnes of guides on guru and such, so why cant you get out there and do something about your "poverty"?

prodigy ming · May 08, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

because I am still in univeristy and have 2 jobs, and i don't find farming fun.

you can use up 1k pretty quick, so you will still want to work for more money. unless the self improvement you refer to is lots of farming.
Its just like real life, just because there is social assistance such as welfare doesn't mean people living off it wouldn't try to find a job and improve their life.
Having 20k aren't going to get you any max stats item or rare material, it will just enough to get by and upgrade your armor, maybe get some dyes and less expensive runes.

Age · May 08, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Learn to save you money instead of spending it although it would be nice to see more gggsss in the game.i want my 15K Tryian armor for my char.

Vermilion · May 08, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Its an interesting idea..but I can see how it might rub some people the wrong way. "I worked for every goldpiece and now they're just giving money away" or something like that. and then there are those who regularly go broke/below 20K who don't need the money but take it anyway?

Of course, it would also faciliate a new title..."Philanthropist" for donating so much money.

ChunkyMonkey · May 08, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I find it hard to beleive that you can barely afford one piece of 1.5k armor. Especially with factions out. Just playing through the game, I can get 1k in about an hour just from quest rewards.

Arkantos · May 08, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

LOL thiss one hell of a funny post.

/NOTSIGNED.

poor people must learn to EARN and SAVE money.

prodigy ming · May 08, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

of course i could afford more than one piece of 1.5k armor.
i brought the whole set... along with those stupid steel ignot since making them cause more than buying them. i brought my steel off other players around 250/steel... so that amounts to 32 steel (12 for chest, 8 for leg, 4 each for others). so roughly I spent 8k on steel alone. Armor cost 1.5k each so all 5 pieces together is 7.5k for crafting. luckly i had enough tanned hide from saving up so thats not accounted for in the budget. in total it costed 15.5k to craft my new armor.
I still have around 7k left in my storage for emergency... these 22k I have been saving up for 12 months since the first guildwar came out. Granted that I only play during the weekends and I have 2 other characters with 1.5k armor.

besides, as Vermilion pointed out, this offers an excellent way to introduce new titles!

my oldest character's birthday should be around this week... god I hope i get a mini shrio so i can sell it.

Vermilion · May 08, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Bloody Death

LOL thiss one hell of a funny post.

/NOTSIGNED.

poor people must learn to EARN and SAVE money.

Yeah, thats pretty much it right there. Its fine if you want to give away money, but earning it is something everyone should do anyway. It took me 2wks - 1 month to get my first 1.5k armor..its a great feeling to know you sweat and bled for that armor. (ok, exaggeration maybe)
Besides, with fewer opportunities in GWF for running/farming, it will hopefully encourage people to find other ways to earn money..

One other thing though, is that the amount of money thats possible to withdraw is so small it might not make a lot of difference anyway, unless you have veryyy lazy/casual players, but its still a stretch. And of course, I don't think there'd be enough money for those who really "need" it..I mean not that many people would donate, imo.

prodigy ming · May 08, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Vermilion

Yeah, thats pretty much it right there. Its fine if you want to give away money, but earning it is something everyone should do anyway. It took me 2wks - 1 month to get my first 1.5k armor..its a great feeling to know you sweat and bled for that armor. (ok, exaggeration maybe)
Besides, with fewer opportunities in GWF for running/farming, it will hopefully encourage people to find other ways to earn money..

One other thing though, is that the amount of money thats possible to withdraw is so small it might not make a lot of difference anyway, unless you have veryyy lazy/casual players, but its still a stretch. And of course, I don't think there'd be enough money for those who really "need" it..I mean not that many people would donate, imo.

I don't disagree with earning your own money... in fact I am all for it and it felt great when I got that nice imperial armor.
And you are right too that not many people will donate. But if no one donates then the poor guys can't get money from the charity box either. So its not like there will be an unlimited amount of gold in that box... just however much is donated willing by other players.
Thats why there are also rewards for donating like earning a title or extra factions and experiences. I am not suggesting that the rich guys should be forced to give up their hard earned money... but simply an alternative they could do with their extra cash.

actionjack · May 09, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

GW: Socialist?

somewhat interesting idea, but really see it hard to implement into the game. Don't feel it is needed. Stick with Capitalism.

Also you fogot about items with values. I could easily take money, use it to buy ecto (so I stay in the "poor" range), repeat

Or even do a two account transfer. too many holes.

shardfenix · May 09, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Yeah for those people who have a life, and only play GW a few hours a day, they have no time for farming. I like the idea, but this exact idea will never be implemented. Maybe during special events (halloween, wintersday, etc) there should be a charity thing that gives people gift boxes with a random item from that event in it, and be given to the poor.
But how do you define poor? it can't just be based on gold. Many people would buy out ectos until they had less than 20k, so they would get the charity bonus.

Trylo · May 09, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Has this ever worked in the real world?

Nek · May 09, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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because I am still in univeristy and have 2 jobs, and i don't find farming fun.

you can use up 1k pretty quick, so you will still want to work for more money. unless the self improvement you refer to is lots of farming.
Its just like real life, just because there is social assistance such as welfare doesn't mean people living off it wouldn't try to find a job and improve their life.

Everyone has their own real life believe it or not, yea sure some might be having their leisure time but dont be too quick to generalize the whole populace. Sure money can be syphooned off pretty quick if you're not the type to save/think of a way to increase your wealth. Lots of farming is a common misconception, seriously have you ever anticipated the whole materials/vigor pricing hike issue? buying low selling high (greens/minipets)? call it scam or w/e you want, but yea its waaaaay better than some sort of "welfare scheme" in GW. - Smaller scale (materials/certain weapon mods) practically involves zero capital. Believe it or not, you couldve made the money you spent on 1.5k armors, your capital to you know what.

Compared swedish welfare scheme/tax against hong kong's and the subsequent impact on their working styles/attitude? Non-OT vs OT machines. GW is just identical! The more you feed em, the slower they'll be. K it was an example and I'm trying not put down/teabag any nationality.

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Also you fogot about items with values. I could easily take money, use it to buy ecto (so I stay in the "poor" range), repeat

Or even do a two account transfer. too many holes.

what he said

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Yeah for those people who have a life, and only play GW a few hours a day, they have no time for farming. I like the idea, but this exact idea will never be implemented. Maybe during special events (halloween, wintersday, etc) there should be a charity thing that gives people gift boxes with a random item from that event in it, and be given to the poor.
But how do you define poor? it can't just be based on gold. Many people would buy out ectos until they had less than 20k, so they would get the charity bonus.

I duno, but is multitasking/time management foreign to you? Just a scenario for you, 1 hour of pure fun (pvp/pve) 1 hour of earning money. I duno but i just find your reason invalid. "I have a life thats why I cant earn that much in GW" is way overused.

Terra Xin · May 09, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Hello?? I could smell the word SCAM from miles away

*Player spends all money*

*player gets FREE money*

*player Re-donates that money*

*free faction!!!*

If someone here is trying to compare this game to real life, how on earth are you playing this game in the first place.... saving your money is just common sense.

/notsigned

Lepton CFd · May 09, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

I think this is a rather political post...you're basically asking for some sort of welfare. I classify myself as a Democrat (USA) in real life, I do support welfare (with limitations). However, GUILD WARS welfare? Come on, man.
Do ONE Tombs run. ONE. Salvage all the Raven staffs/materials you get and sell all your rare/purple/green items. You get 1-2k from the gold drops split between 8 people. Combine that with what I just told you to do, you could make anywhere from 3k - 50k (depending on the green you get) in ONE run. Is that so hard? I don't think so.

Personally, I wouldn't donate to that charity. I tend to donate to individual people just because a lot of the time I just feel like it and it feels good to help others out. But I mean dude...if you're asking for GW welfare, where are you gonna get to in real life? =/

Dark Suoon · May 09, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

/notsigned..... get real, they earn money... but i dont mind giving money to ppl in need sometimes but in a charity box, poor ppl would grab alot of gold there...not trying to be mean or anything to anybody..

Zui · May 09, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

/not signed

bilateralrope · May 09, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

On my first character I did all the quests I came accross, selling to NPC's and upgrading my armor every time I ran accross a new armor crafter (due to what crafting materiles I had stashed, it was almost always a mix and match armor set). I picked up every drop, ID'ed all non-whites, and only kept eaither weapons that I could use or crafting materiles. I also wasted at least 6k on useless things (2 guild capes, 1 weapon I could of done without that I bought for far too much).

By the time I was in droks I didn't have enough gold for the new armor. So I started selling the materiles I wouldn't need untill I had the gold. So I managed to afford Droks armor without farming and with me wasting some gold.

The money I then earned with my first character to get it through to the end of Hells Precipice made it much eaiser to afford the armors for my second character. Then, once that character had completed Hells, I started farming with it.

In short, I managed without farming, why can't you ?

Though I will admit, the materiles for armor are currently more expensive than usual, but that will pass.

prodigy ming · May 09, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

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Originally Posted by Lepton CFd

Personally, I wouldn't donate to that charity. I tend to donate to individual people just because a lot of the time I just feel like it and it feels good to help others out. But I mean dude...if you're asking for GW welfare, where are you gonna get to in real life? =/

Watch it pal thats apporaching a personal attack. The very reason I want GW welfare is so I can spend less time grinding for gold or standing in lion arch yelling WTS for a couple of hours so I can get some real life work done.

This is just an idea I came up with on the spot and of course its far from perfect. And if people don't like it thats fine as well. everyone is entitled to their own opinions as long as its not attacking another individual.
I keep hearing a common argument is "if I can do this and that, why can't you?" Well... maybe because we are different people and do things differently. Though I do follow the forum quite often on new game updates, I don't really follow the market so I don't usually sell my items since I don't know if they are worth anything.
I am not saying you can't get through the game without farming. Yes you can. And in fact you can even get 1.5k armor set with little bit of gold left.
But items like 15k, FoW armor, expensive dyes, are pretty much forever out of reach for casual players. Guess what... just because we play casually, we like cool stuff too just like anyone else! I doubt alot of people can come up and say that they got their perfect mod nice skin weapon or 15k armor without any farming.
What I am suggesting here in no way harms anyone. rich people donates out of their free will and there will be restriction on how much gold in how long of an interval poor players can take gold from the charity box, so its not a place with unlimited gold. I did however forgot to put the worth of items such as ectos into account in order for people to be classify as poor. I admit its a fundamentally flawed idea and this post is just to clarify that I am not trying to steal gold from the rich. Just offering another option.

In reply to Trylo: yes charity and welfare do work to a certain extend in real life and it helps lots of people to get back on their feet. Sure any system could be exploited, but they are also there for people who really needs the help.